December 9, 2023
I recently jumped on the Business of Apps podcast to talk about my app Rootd. I created it after dealing with panic attacks myself, wanting to help others going through similar stuff.
I shared how I built it from scratch and grew it to hit a million users. The secret sauce? I kept things focused on anxiety support, talked with users everywhere, didn’t give up on App Store submissions, got some press coverage, translated the app, and made it super easy to use.
The best part? Reading reviews from people saying Rootd helped them get back to their normal lives. As someone who isn’t even a developer, it’s amazing to see how this app went from helping just me to helping people all over the world.
What You’ll Learn
- Understand the importance of authentically connecting with users, from responding to reviews to incorporating cultural nuances (like changing character names for different markets)
- Get insights into bootstrapping as a non-technical founder handling multiple roles from content design to marketing
- Learn how positive user feedback can serve as motivation through challenging times as a solo founder
- See how focusing on helping users rather than profits first can lead to sustainable business growth and meaningful impact
- Learn how a personal struggle with panic attacks during university led to the creation of Rootd, an anxiety and panic attack relief app that now helps over 1 million users worldwide
Video
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Transcript
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Business of Apps Host: Welcome to the Business of Apps podcast. On this show we invite app industry professionals to cover various topics and we promise to do our best to keep it both insightful. Bypreev in this episode we have Ania Wysocka, founder at Rootd. Ania, welcome to the Billions of podcast.
Ania Wysocka: Thanks very much for having me.
Business of Apps Host: Awesome. Thank you for coming. It’s great to have you on the show. Okay, let me set the stage for everybody. Anxiety. If this word doesn’t tell you anything, lucky you. So many people on this planet are familiar with anxiety. Essentially it’s a fear of what is about to come. It’s a dread or something you anticipate. Sometimes your feel of anxiety is justified. On many occasions it is not. And what it works, it triggers a panic attack. But there’s a way to calm yourself down, to be able to deal with it. Today, Ania will tell you a story of connecting her panic attack and anxiety relief mobile app Rootd with a million people who needed help to deal with these issues. But first, as always on this show, before covering the story of the app and the path of getting connected to over 1 million people, let’s talk about you first. Ania, please tell us about yourself.
Ania Wysocka: Well, I am a Polish Canadian. I grew up abroad, living in different countries. My mom was a math teacher so we traveled and moved around a lot and I went to university in Vancouver in Canada. I studied international relations. I love to run, I love to work on projects that destigmatize mental health. And yeah, I have a really personal connection with Rootd and why I started it.
Business of Apps Host: Now I didn’t know that you lived in Vancouver. I envy you. This is one of the places on the planet that I really like to live, at least for a few years. Vancouver is one of the places probably even better than Barcelona in Spain or kind of on the same par. For me that’s.
Ania Wysocka: It’s very beautiful. It’s very beautiful. The one thing was it rained. It rained so much. So you have to kind of either have an escape plan for the winter or just have a lot of self care practices like an app like Rootd, really. So to help you get through the winter months.
Business of Apps Host: Oh, got it. Okay, now let’s talk about the story of Rootd. How did it start? Please tell us about the genesis of the app.
Ania Wysocka: So I was in my fourth year of university when I experienced my first panic attack and I really didn’t know what a panic attack was before then. I thought that maybe when people were experiencing something like that, they were just overly stressed out. I couldn’t relate. And I was extremely surprised as to the sensations I was feeling in my body. When I asked a doctor about it, they said, no, you’re okay. Which led me into even more questions to figure out, okay, well, what just happened? And I really didn’t have any resources. I didn’t have a family doctor. I was on student loans, so I couldn’t afford traditional therapy. I was far away from home. I was there on my own, studying at university. So I really struggled and it became really debilitating, debilitating for me. So fast forward a few years. I learned a lot of different tips and techniques to help me understand anxiety and where it comes from and really just learn to manage it in my daily life. And that is the premise of Rootd. At the time, there weren’t any apps on panic attacks. It was more like hypnosis apps or apps that were very medical and nothing that really spoke to me. So that is how and why I started Rootd.
Business of Apps Host: You know, when you said that there was no app like that at this moment, it really reinforced for me the idea that for some reason, even so many concepts, so many ideas were realized where were used to build apps. Since 2008 when the app Store was launched, so many photo filters, calculators, financial apps, games, a lot of ideas were really were used to build an app before. Many essential things. Many things are more kind of profoundly useful for us, like an app to help you to deal with anxiety where you don’t have anybody here to help you and your smartphone can be that thing that can actually help you to deal with this very complex problem. For some reason, they didn’t come to people saying a whiteboard to develop an app. And the story like your kind of what? I would expect somebody would create an app out of necessity to help herself or himself to deal with it. That’s a personal experience which leads you to create an app that is so useful for so other people in the world. Once the app in the App Store, they can download it and we all.
Ania Wysocka: Have our phones on us at all times. So it just really, you know, it really made sense to me.
Business of Apps Host: Absolutely. I’m glad that you managed to launch the project. Yeah, I wish the circumstance was way better. And it was for you, just academical interest, Just probably a psychology professional out of curiosity for a project. But that’s life on many Occasions, apps like that created out of desperate need for help. Now, I would assume the road for the, you know, to reach the first million of users wasn’t easy. You tried many things. Let’s focus on stuff, on things that did actually work for you. Now, I watched your Talk at the APS London 2022 conference several weeks ago, and I saw you were highlighting six things specifically that worked. So let’s walk the audience through all of these, starting with the first one, which is focusing on a niche. What is all about.
Ania Wysocka: Yeah, so when Rootd first launched, the main focus was on panic attacks as opposed to anxiety. Even though there is some overlap, you know, a lot more people are actually looking for support with anxiety than they are with panic attacks. However, that’s a much more higher volume, higher difficulty keyword. So because Rootd was so specific with panic attacks, I was focused much more on that niche of panic attacks. So we started ranking highly within that small niche. And then over time, as we started adding in more tools for general anxiety, that’s when I started incorporating the keyword of anxiety as well. And so you can kind of see in that chart that I shared in the talk, the ranking for panic attacks was high pretty much all along, and then increase, increase till we were number one. And then the ranking for anxiety started really low, but over time started increasing again to the point where we’re number three for anxiety in the states, which is our biggest market, and where we’re most focused. So that is what I mean by focusing on a niche.
Business of Apps Host: Right. And this is. We can kind of make a case holistically. For any app developer creating an app, there’s always, there’s always this kind of a fork between going to your specific niche or going broad. And obviously when you’re going broad, you’re reaching out to a bigger audience, bigger market, but the competition is greater. When you go into the niche, it’s the opposite. But you’re not expecting to reach the, you know, the same scale, so many users that fast. But the idea of the app, the audience you’re trying to reach makes a difference. So, yeah, I totally see, like, generally you should think about it this way. Things that show up, they come up in people’s lives more often. They have a greater demand, they have a bigger audience, but have a better competition. Like you said, with anxiety, people do experience it, unfortunately, quite often. Luckily, panic attacks are not hitting them that often. So that’s why you have the difference between going broad or going niche. So in your case, you started with a niche and reached your first audience and then started to expand it broadly.
Ania Wysocka: Right, yes. And I think that’s one key point there, is that as a bootstrapped app, it made a lot of sense for me to get users who are downloading the keyword and they’re getting what they searched for. Exactly. Because I think sometimes the risk when we go too broad is that people download the app and be like, well, this isn’t what I was looking for. And they’re not going to leave the five star review, they’re not going to recommend you to friends and family. And being, getting reviews and being recommended is huge for a bootstrapped app. So that’s another reason. Yeah, I would focus on this niche first.
Business of Apps Host: So you’re aiming for that situation when somebody is just pointing this, his finger, her finger on the screen. That’s the app I’m looking for. That’s it. This is the one.
Ania Wysocka: Exactly. Yep.
Business of Apps Host: All right, next up is engaging the app user’s base. So what is it? What was about this point?
Ania Wysocka: So again, as a bootstrapped app, this was largely me really just going on social media, engaging with people, different accounts on Instagram and Facebook groups, you know, that talk about anxiety, talk about panic attacks and sharing some tips and tools and information from Rootd and then engaging with those people, commenting on posts. I was really doing like. It took a lot of my time, but slowly but surely, those followers started to come back to Rootd’s page, started following, started working on more and more content for that. And in addition to social media, I also kept up with responding to every single user’s app review. A lot of the reviews that came in about the actual content in the app were five star reviews. So I was so happy to see that and have that validated. But if there was a bug or if users were complaining about, you know, the fact that there’s a paywall, then I really relied on engaging with them and starting a conversation, hoping that they’ll email me. Because, you know, it’s kind of one sided in the app store. You don’t really get to see who that person is. They have a unique username there. And I relied on that to kind of keep increasing that rating because people would sometimes change their rating from a one star to a five star. They had a great experience. And I learned that people really, you know, they want to be respected, of course, they want to be engaged with and they want to feel important. So I just did a lot of that through all different mediums. So that’s what I meant by that point of engaging with users.
Business of Apps Host: Yeah, I totally get what you’re saying. It’s awesome to have, you know, five stars or views right away. But if you can fix a problem for somebody and he will go reverse 180 saying, I gave the app one star because there was a problem, but the owner of the app get back to me quickly help to address my issue. And now I’m just super happy. This is kind of even more desirable situation when you can fix it for somebody and he will be even, you know, more loyal users to your of your app because of that situation.
Ania Wysocka: Definitely, yeah.
Business of Apps Host: Store submissions is what is next up. So you, in this point you were telling the story of how you submitting the app to the App Store to be featured, right?
Ania Wysocka: Yes. Yep. Using the promote URL.
Business of Apps Host: Oh, using the promo URL. So you’re saying inside the app or.
Ania Wysocka: That’S something that Apple just if you look up like submit for feature App Store, it’ll pop up. It’s just the URL that they use. So they ask you questions like what do you want to share with us? What’s the story? And when are you releasing your update? And I, yeah, so I continuously did those stories, but I never, I didn’t hear back from anybody. And so naturally I got discouraged and I felt like, okay, I only have 24 hours in a day and I have so many things to do, like should I keep doing this? But I kind of read other people’s blogs and I read different people have been featured and it wasn’t very clear always the indicator of what led to their feature. But they did say that they submitted stories regularly. So I just went at it. Every single month I submitted a story, I always had an update going out and I always would try to tie it back to some global event or just something that could be interesting. And then sure enough, it took many submissions. But finally I did hear that callback. I got an email saying, hey Ania, one of our App Store editor saw your story submission and since then Rootd was featured multiple times. We’ve been App of the Day in the us in Canada, been featured in a number of different collections, had Developer Spotlight in the US So these were really great for organic growth as well.
Business of Apps Host: And I remember discussing with somebody on this podcast before, a couple of years ago actually. And that was when you’re submitting your app to be reviewed and featured by Apple, if I remember correctly, should have some materials, some graphics, some text in hand so they can use it for featuring of your app.
Ania Wysocka: So that’s actually. Yeah, that’s only if they actually Want to feature you though. So Apple will let you know if they need images, otherwise they don’t ask for it right away. It’s the amount of times that you’ll get a feature based on your story. Submission for me anyway is not always equal, so I definitely don’t prepare images every time. It’s only if they get back to me and they say, okay, we’re considering promoting you. It’s never 100%. They always have the right to back out if they want to. So they still ask you though, can you please prepare these images?
Business of Apps Host: Got it. Now the next point is sending a press release. I used to be part of app marketing agency Just a quick story in 2009, 2015 for six years and press release was one of the one of the things that we’re selling to app developers to promote their apps. And I remember by the end of my time at the company that tool was kind of kept losing its team year by year, months by month. And by now I was under impression that it doesn’t work anymore. I mean it’s still there, you can still order sending a press release. But the expectations of people when they’re, you know, pushing their apps using like trying to connect their apps with user using paid acquisition, app store optimization, influencer marketing, whatever, the press service kind of a not in the reader, but apparently for you it did work. So how was it?
Ania Wysocka: Yeah, so I guess that is kind of funny that it did work. It maybe it sounds a bit more like a traditional media tactic, but really it started off with just realizing that, you know, locally in Canada where it was in bc, it could be a story, you know that like the often local papers want to feature local entrepreneurs. So that’s how it started. And that was the first one I did when Rootd first launched and it got picked up by a few papers again locally in bc. And then later on I was just more so like well what’s stopping me from going a bit more broad? And so I engaged with a release distributor and sure enough many magazines in certain areas are like, oh, we only cover local entrepreneurs so we can’t cover this. But best of luck, sounds like a really needed app. And I just kept pushing, pushing and going and then finally yeah, more and more outlets covered it. Some of the bigger outlets that you know, I shared there in the presentation like Healthline or Time magazine, they actually, well, Time specifically I just got like an anonymous email sent to me being like we just want to verify some facts. We’re with Time. And so I responded to the questions they had and then I didn’t hear back and I tried to follow up like, hey, so what’s going on? Are we going to do an article or something? Nothing. They didn’t respond to me. It wasn’t until like months later that I found Rootd mentioned in their article. So yeah, it all varies. I think that I never regretted sending out a press release. Sometimes the results were quite immediate. Even if it’s like sometimes just a smaller blog, it’s still, you know, another backlink and another mention. And they do have their own audience of course and kind of like you know, rule number one, the focusing on a niche, a niche blog is, is a good place to market as well. And then sometimes it would surprise me with really great bigger stories. So yeah, I’ve actually really enjoyed that medium.
Business of Apps Host: That’s great. I think it’s a matter of setting expectations to write for yourself as a developer. Some things like some apps, they do address big issues, some address small issues. Press release may still work. It’s just a matter of how much engagement you’re gonna get. If this is something like in this case, they have to help so many people. I would assume you should expect that in theory, if you find the right editor, the right journalist whom her his bid is to cover this kind of topic, he will be, he will get interested or she will get interested and grab your top your app to make a publication. But don’t be discouraged even if your app isn’t addressing that big issue, it’s just the outcome will be less, but it still will be there. It’s just do not expect setting a press release about your app that is actually, I don’t know, calculator or a small utility that is going to get on the same scale as an app that helping people to address anxiety, that is a worldwide issue. So it still works in both cases, but the outcome will be different. Yeah.
Ania Wysocka: Yes. The press releases weren’t just about Rootd being an app. It was about how it relates to a global event or what it signifies as well. Yeah, sure.
Business of Apps Host: Okay, moving on. Translation is next. As much as we like speak English, the whole world does not speak only English. There are other countries with other languages, other markets. And there’s a reason why there are so many versions, so many mirrors of the App Store and Google Play for other countries. And going international was always kind of on the to do list for marketers who want to go broader when they feel there’s a big competition within the market inside their country and they still want to reach out more people and connect them with their app. So how was going the translation process for your app?
Ania Wysocka: So I think again, might have done it a bit in reverse where I actually started translating Rootd before I had any really hold over the local market that I was in in Canada or the U.S. so I started off because somebody sent me a World Health Organization article as a user in Brazil and they shared, you know, all these stats about what’s going on in Brazil and about how there’s like a mental health epidemic at the time around anxiety and panic attacks. And the article shared some stories that I could just. The descriptions were so vivid. I could really relate to it personally. And it brought me back to that time in university that was so difficult and confusing. And I just sort of took the opportunity and said, you know what, let’s get this out in Portuguese. And it wasn’t even necessarily with a marketing plan in mind. Although by that time Rootd had grown enough that I would get the random odd comment, you know, on Google Play, especially with a user review, saying, hey, this should be in Portuguese. So like I already had a few of those. So I knew that there was some interest. I saw, you know, online Brazilians were downloading Rootd and that’s how the first translation happened. So I actually worked with a translator online. And then a friend, a Brazilian friend, ended up helping me record the audio because I couldn’t even at that time afford voice actors or anything. Now since then it’s all been replaced. But yeah, that’s how I started off was just, yeah, just finding resources where I could. Right. Because I couldn’t access some of the more traditional ways of doing it. But the downloads in Brazil just really started taking off afterwards. It really didn’t require as much of like a paid effort on my side on social. I engaged a lot more with Brazilian accounts for a while, but that’s kind of all I did to kind of get it started. And till today, Brazil and Portugal are significant downloaders of Rootd.
Business of Apps Host: Awesome. You’ve just given a really great hint for other developers. Even though you’re in, you know, you’re the reason why you’re in a business to make money first. But this is not should be your sole goal to be in this business. Remember that you’re helping people to fulfill specific needs. It’s the like making a profit. This is kind of a consequence of your effort, of your wish to help somebody, to either trying to, you know, help to help to resolve the problem you had or just seeing some opportunity to fix something for somebody. And when you’re operating under this approach, and you can see that the same problem is kind of a global. And you can actually, you can see the way how you can go international with your app, reaching out local people who will be helping you to not only translate people, but understand the psychology, the culture of that country, how better it presents your app, how not to, you know, be kind of a clunky, you know, American, Canadian, in a country where the app will be still useful, but not that useful because there’s a cultural difference. You had to adjust your app a little bit or more than a little bit. So reaching out people, local people who will be helping you to guide your app through that process is really helpful. So that’s a great hint. Help first and money will be your reward.
Ania Wysocka: One example, quickly there for Brazil is, for example, the name of the main character, Ron in the app. It just didn’t translate well, apparently. And the Brazilian translator couldn’t even really explain why, but he just said, ronnie, it needs to be Ronnie. And I was like, you know what, I trust you. Let’s go with Ronnie. So that’s one example of like a cultural difference and something that, you know, you can’t get from Google Translate.
Business of Apps Host: Yeah, definitely not there. You have to talk to real people and know the language and we will help you with that. Absolutely. Okay, onboarding. This is the next item on your list of six. Did you manage to get it right from the first go? Was there any learning curve for you?
Ania Wysocka: I’d say definitely not. I’d say it’s still an experiment till today. But basically what I did was move around the onboarding screens and the order of them and sort of test different flows, how people should be first introduced to the app. Is it more tech space? Is it more action based? So I played around with a number of different things and thankfully each time it got better because I think there’s some time a risk where things are going well and then you make a change and it gets worse. For me, it incrementally improved, but the biggest benefit I had was when I actually moved the paywall closer to the beginning and it was a free travel paywall specifically. And I was really worried that people would get offended, I would get a bunch of bad reviews. But really there is a way to bypass the page and it is optional. You know, everybody that pays for the app really helps make it better. Right, because that’s where the revenue comes from to keep investing in the app and keep looking for more tools and keep updating it and making it better every time. So I was very surprised to See that Very, very, very few people minded that at all. I had maybe reviews that were around the paywall being there like enough I can count on my hands, you know, like really not a lot compared to how much revenue ended up coming in and really helping me distribute.
Business of Apps Host: Right. Okay, now obviously having so many users, can you recall any stories about getting feedback, being praised or probably criticized for possibly not getting something in the app experience right from the first go?
Ania Wysocka: Yes, definitely for both. I’d say the positive ones, like the reviews that share, that Rootd has helped somebody improve their life, it’s helped them go back to school, it’s helped them go back to work, it helps them sleep at night, it helps them in their relationship. Those reviews are so amazing and motivating and they’re really what, yeah, what keeps me motivating. When the day is long and hard and I’m up at night and everybody else feels like the rest of the world is sleeping calmly and I’m stressed and working, then I’m like remembering those user reviews, right. And I actually find it to be something that we give as a tip and Rootd is to start off your morning with some journaling or positive thoughts. And sometimes those user reviews are part of my morning routine because they are these positive things that are really motivating for me. And then on the criticism side, I mean those bugs that I mentioned earlier, whenever there’s a bug, like it was really hard to see because as a non technical founder, like I did root its content design, wireframing, marketing, business development, all of that. But I’m not fully in charge of the technical stuff. And this is not in any way to criticize the developers. I just, you know, sometimes bugs happen and they happen in big apps, they happen in small apps. That’s just a way of development. But it is really hard to then not be in control. You know, I have to rely on others for that one. So that’s really hard for me sometimes. Another thing is the criticism would probably be just the fact that there’s a paywall at all. So sometimes we’ll get a review and it says this app is amazing, it’s helped me so much, but there’s some content that requires payment. One star. And I’m like, how, why, why, why are you leaving a one star review that’s going to affect our ranking so much? And anyway, so yeah, those are the stressful ones, but the positive ones, when people share how rude it’s affected them is just unbelievable. Like super motivating. And you want to see what I mean you can go read them. They’re so cool. I’m so excited that they exist.
Business of Apps Host: Yeah, yeah, I totally get what you’re saying. Just as good as it gets when you can read that your, that the, your work actually help is helping somebody and the reward is there. You can, you can, you can pick up their emotions from the, from the lines they’ve left on the app store. The review. Just a very quick thing you said about the bugs. There is kind of a. I think it’s a statistical number. If I remember correctly. There’s always one error for every 10,000 K. 10,000 lines of code. It’s unavoidable. It’s a human factor. Roughly speaking. Every 10,000 lines of code will contain an error. And so it doesn’t matter if developer is sitting somebody in Cupertino, Apple’s campus or small startup. Statistically people do mistakes and there’s always that mistake sitting in somewhere in this 10,000 lines of programming code. So just, you know, human factor. Androids do not program apps yet. Okay, that’s good to know.
Ania Wysocka: I should see how many code. Yeah, thank you.
Business of Apps Host: Just remind us that we’re human beings. As much as Apple tries to create their, you know, and Google as well to create the process of developing apps either less chances to make a mistake. It’s kind of a mathematically not possible to narrow down so to kind of eliminate the chance of making a mistake. Okay, that was the last question to address the major topic on the table and where the second part of the show where I ask every guest just a few quick questions so the audience of this podcast may know these people a little bit better. So these are just small quick questions and the first one goes like this. What smartphone do you have now? Have you been switching between iOS and Android or just iOS or Android all the time?
Ania Wysocka: So I have a iPhone 11 and I also have an Android phone, but it’s more so. It’s more so just for testing for the app and it’s not for personal use. I switched to iOS probably like seven years ago and I am one of those people who just has not gone back. I have an Apple Watch, an iPad, a MacBook. I’m very much iOS but I do have Android devices to test and make sure that Rootd runs well on them.
Business of Apps Host: All right, so basically you’re on the iOS side. What was your first mobile phone? You know, in the era before multi touch smartphones.
Ania Wysocka: It was a Nokia and maybe you can help.
Business of Apps Host: Yeah, yeah, I’m just going to say the flip phones, that time frame. Oh the flip phone.
Ania Wysocka: For flip phone. So the first phone ever was Nokia 310, the brick one. And then in terms of flip phone, it was a Motorola Razr.
Business of Apps Host: All right, got it. Now, imagine today you left your iPhone 11 at home for whatever reason. If you’re out, what would be the most missing feature for you?
Ania Wysocka: Naturally, it would be Rootd. And the reason for that is that a lot of the coping techniques that I still use are on Rootd. And that’s kind of why I created Rootd spy habit. But in case that’s, you know, not the quote, not the answer that people want to hear, the other thing that I’m very reliant on is Google Maps. I used to just navigate my way around a city, a new place, with no problem. But I think now I’m too reliant on Google maps, and I look at it all the time, and I would probably get lost without it.
Business of Apps Host: You know, Google Maps is one of those apps that people mention, I guess, the most. And there’s a good reason for that. On top of the number of apps people use on a daily basis, there are these five functions that apps fulfill in our lives. Some social media, instant messaging, search for information, E commerce, and navigation. Maps. So maps is one of the top five apps categories that, you know, so many people rely on daily basis. And yeah, I would put myself in the same camp with you. Google Maps would be the one for me too. Okay, just a final question on this small set. What new app technologists are you most excited about? Thinking about it, in a way. Wouldn’t be great if my iPhone 11 could do that. Could be software, hardware. Not necessarily something more, something bigger, but something that would kind of adjust smartphone better with your lifestyle probably.
Ania Wysocka: So I think what excites me is the intersection between hardware and software and the physical and mental aspect of using our phones. So for example, different technology we have now around monitoring, sleep monitoring, what we eat, and how that’s affecting our bodies. So also wearable technology like the watches. I find that really exciting right now, and I’m kind of brainstorming early some intersections of how that could also relate to Rootd and what Rootd does for people. So, yeah, that would be what excites me the most right now.
Business of Apps Host: That’s a really interesting concept. Fingers crossed we’ll be able to do something tangible from that. That’s great.
Ania Wysocka: Thank you.
Business of Apps Host: Okay, before I let you go, just very final question, which will be this. How can people get in touch with you and get more information about what you do?
Ania Wysocka: So Rootd is on all social media channels and the URL is Rootd or app. And then for me personally I am on Twitter and I believe my twitter handle is Ania Margaret 1. Like the number one, the digit one. Probably if you look up the Rootd hashtag or something on Twitter you should be able to find me. But yeah, it’s Ania Margaret and my first name, last name, you could find me there on Twitter and on Instagram. Simply underscore Rootd. And yeah, happy to always take questions and just learn more from people that are listening to a podcast like this. I feel like you probably all have great ideas too.
Business of Apps Host: Terrific. Thank you for coming and thank you for spending this time with us. Ania. Thank you. Bye bye.
Ania Wysocka: Awesome. Thank you so much.
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